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welcome to another very special episode

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of somewhere in the skies I wasn't able

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to make it to the 2019 International UFO

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Congress this year but I had to on-site

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correspondents to help me grab some

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interviews with various speakers at the

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event in this exclusive episode you're

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going to hear interviews conducted by

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two former guests of somewhere in the

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skies UFO field investigator and rogue

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planet crew member shane herd and UFO

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filmmaker and researcher dean ally odin

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both took precious time out of their

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busy schedules to speak with james fox

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Ben Hansen Mark Dantonio Kathleen Martin

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Michael P masters James Keenan and of

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course the MC & Co organizer of the

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event of a Hondo

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Rojas my immense thanks goes out to my

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correspondents Dean and Shane and I hope

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you enjoy this summer in the skies

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special edition at the 2019

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hi this is Shane heard what somewhere in

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the skies Prime at the 2019

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International UFO Congress and Phoenix

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and I am here speaking with dr. Mike

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masters how are you doing today I'm

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doing good yeah thank welcome and thanks

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for taking a little time with you

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absolutely it's great to chat with you

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yeah so you have a presentation coming

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up during the conference here could you

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give us a little highlight or whatever

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it's gonna be on Thursday tomorrow I

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guess at 2:15 and is the title is could

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aliens simply be us from the future it

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takes a evolutionary approach to the

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phenomenon and synthesizes modern

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research in astrobiology astronomy

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physics and anthropology with a focus on

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biological anthropology to investigate

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this question and whether they could

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just be us coming back through time to

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study their own evolutionary past yeah

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that's that's a fascinating angle

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because you know for those last 70 years

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has been the traditional nuts and bolts

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they fly here from somewhere else and

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you know a lot of evidence is pointing

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to more than just simply that yeah and I

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think it's good to consider all valid

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theories and Rigo regard to a question

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this complex and and the extra tempest

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real model as I call it isn't mutually

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exclusive by any means but I do feel

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that it helps explain a lot of aspects

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of the phenomenon and particularly with

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regard to the more humanoid for those

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the upright walking bipedal human aliens

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that are described in so many of these

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reports but it is important to consider

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all angles and all valid theories and

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this one certainly isn't mutually

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exclusive to those yeah I mean it's it

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does seem likely that there's some sort

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of composite going on and yeah and yeah

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you're right we should never exclude any

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any a possible theory because as of yet

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we do not know for a fact and anybody

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open-minded yeah not so open that your

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brain falls out or Sagan used to sit

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so you know a lot has been happening in

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ufology over the last year it just seems

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like more and more things are occurring

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I think you know the stuff that's slowly

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coming out from the to the Stars Academy

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contentious as are most things and in

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scientists kind of starting to break

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face the stigma to get on and I really

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try to answer this question I met just

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in the day I've been here at

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conversations a PhD in sociology a PhD

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in anthropology just now and more people

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seriously and try to find ways to bridge

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this divide unnecessary divide between

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ecology and the science of the community

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so I'm really excited to be a part of

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that and to see more of that happening

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yeah I really appreciate you and what

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you bring the table as well because you

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know we've we've been striving for

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credibility and striving for you know

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qualified people taking a serious look

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at this anyway and the more courageous

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scientists like yourself that do it I

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mean it really it just it helps

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everybody and then we all want to know

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the truth yeah there's still barriers in

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issues there's the the broader academic

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phenomenon to a large extent but a lot

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of that is also related to a lack of

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disclosure once we have full disclosure

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were behind the times even possibly on

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the wrong side of history with regard to

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this question but I also understand it I

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understand the inner workings of

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academia and

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detached from the stigma before academia

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Navy coming forward and just government

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that we're all pushing for so yeah I

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of the pop culture side a I don't know

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if you've heard of the whole storm

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area51 issue that could not - yeah yeah

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the mainstream yeah yeah where do you

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interesting idea

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logistically I don't think it really has

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legs never did a pretty terrible idea

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into a cultural event yeah Wester boy I

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have reservations of how to pull

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something off that big in such a short

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timeframe in such a desolate area in

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such a desolate area yeah so isolated I

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think we could learn a lot from the fire

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festival and how that imploded because

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of the lack of time for planning

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logistics hopefully that doesn't I mean

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situation yeah well but no I I hope that

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if they can pull it off if anything else

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it brought more awareness to the

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phenomenon among a broader audience I've

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who had never really looked at anything

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related to the UFO phenomenon so I think

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as far as cultural awareness and being

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another avenue for getting things in

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front of people and the broader

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American society it's been awesome if

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not respect yeah that's awesome well

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thanks so much for coming to the

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conference and you know bringing out

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this whole new aspect of it it's really

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fascinating and I appreciate you as a

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scientist so thanks a lot for your time

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look forward to your talk absolutely

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hey this is Dean Alioto I am here live

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or rather on live after the

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2019 and I'm sitting here next to this

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very charismatic powerful being not an

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alien but the be famous

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Kathleen Mardan we're going to ask her a

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conference and what she's up to

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so starting with the conference how do

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you like the 2019 conference and how is

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this different from other conferences

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hello Ryan it's it's nice to speak with

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you I wish you could be here and this

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conference is terrific it is different

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this year than it was when it was out on

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the reservation but it has all sorts of

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activities going on all of the time I'm

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particularly pleased that about half of

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the speakers are women this year

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oftentimes people complain it's all men

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or maybe one or two women but this year

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we have about half women which is a huge

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step forward in my mind intelligent

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well-spoken women researchers and

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experiencers who are talking to us also

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we have experienced their sessions every

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with Yvonne Smith we each have a room

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full of people I'm doing workshops two

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of them I did one group regression

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yesterday that was a lot of fun and it's

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it's packed with people we're all very

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happy to be here there's a very good

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feeling about this conference fantastic

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so there's a lot of women here so let me

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mansplain something to you that was a

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joke so do you see any trends that are

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happening with regards to your

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experience or sessions they are having

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this year as opposed to other years is

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there something that that might be

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different that might separate set apart

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this year compared to other ones the

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only difference that I see is when I

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first started doing experiencer sessions

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there were a lot of people who are

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suffering from trauma didn't have a lot

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of memory and I think we're seeing less

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of that now that people are able to

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remember more perhaps that people

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hopefully have talked to the 30

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individuals on my team at the MUFON

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experience a research team that you can

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reach through MUFON dot-com scroll down

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to experience a research team take the

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30 question questionnaire please and

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someone is not going to investigate your

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case these are people who are

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specialists who know a lot about this

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topic many of them are experiencers and

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they're therefore non-judgmental

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listening to help you they have a list

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of vetted professionals for

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purposes so it's a very good thing so I

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think this and the support groups we now

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have a list of three online support

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groups as well as support groups in

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physical locations if you don't live

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near a place where you can actually

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travel to a support group you can join

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an online one all of these things help

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experiencers so I think that the

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atmosphere in in the groups has been

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very good of course there is a wide

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variety of different types of

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experiences that people are having from

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negative my lab not see that kind of

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thing to people who are having very

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positive experiences it runs the gamut

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but we're trying to reach out and to

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help everybody well it's kind of a

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service you're doing regardless of

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whether or not these experiences are

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actualized or even psychological just to

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have a place where people can go and

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talk and discuss this has got to be

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really a a sense of relief for these

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people they're not having to keep it all

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inside they can share it with people

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that are willing to listen and yes and

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just the act of talking about your

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experience with someone who is not going

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to say see a psychiatrist or I don't

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believe you or what we were smoking what

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were you drinking you know that's not a

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good response that hurts people and also

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I have written a book for experiencers

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and for the interested public as well it

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was just released September 1st it's

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titled extraterrestrial contact what to

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do when you've been abducted it's a

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comprehensive

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with a worksheet at the end of each

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chapter to help you to put all of this

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together and understand the all of the

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things that runs from positive

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experiences to negative to how to

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collect your own evidence to how to

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suggestions on how to make it stop if

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you want it to stop

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- coping techniques - psychic phenomena

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- all I mean you name it - watch it -

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what to wear when you get abducted and

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what's most material that breathes I'm

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thinking make sure that you do that and

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try to get back your own clothing as

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well yes and have it be right side on

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and not inside out that's the worst it's

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very tacky well I'm gonna let you go

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because your your boots about to be

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bombarded I'm excited about reading your

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book and I know that I'm gonna go out

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and hit Amazon on it right now

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but thank you so much for talking to us

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and good luck with the rest of the

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festival the call thank you thank you so

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much it's been a great experience this

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is Dina Alioto for somewhere in the

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skies I'm here with Mark Dantonio who

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does not speak fluent Italian which is

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okay because he's actually not here to

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speech or a lecture about a time but

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about UFO and aliens in nature so mark

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tell me what your business was here and

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tell me what you thought of this year's

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2019 Congress hey call most odd oh oh

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sorry

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remember you don't speak it oh I know

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I'm sorry time to help oh well I thought

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that did okay yes

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thanks teen I thought that this commerce

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or the beautiful Congress this year was

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very good I had a good time my my my

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talk went over very well with him

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wonderful panel we had a bunch of them

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interesting well I'd say concepts to

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ponder I thought that the people that

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delivered the content were quite

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well-versed in did a very nice job so

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hey you know I thought it was a really

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really well done it's in a new location

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here in downtown Phoenix and it seems to

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seem to go over well yeah I thought that

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the the vibe here was great because

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everyone was able to I think move freely

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without banging into each other cramming

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in especially fire exit that can always

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get scary exactly you know and it was

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okay because the fire that did occur

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didn't burn the place down no one took

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out the half half of the tower so it

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actually worked out quite well

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yeah we're not supposed to talk about

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because the insurance and jesters have

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not ruled yet who the guilty party so

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let's not talk about that so what is it

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coming up for you what is the next big

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thing that you're working on well I'm

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part of what's called the New Scientist

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tour and it's a it's a group that we

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talk about the new advances in

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astrophysics and astronomy and how it

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relates to the finding of

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extraterrestrial life it is actually a

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very prescient concept and in October I

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just came back from Norway on the New

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Scientist tour and in October you may be

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going to Stockholm Sweden to deliver

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talks there so there's a few other minor

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conferences between now and then that I

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have to go through but it's really quite

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an exciting time and a bunch of exciting

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lectures yeah I got to catch some of

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your lecture very exciting interesting

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stuff especially the fact that because

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of Technology what you guys are doing

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what you and Douglas Trumbull are doing

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and are in the process of of working on

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is promise super super promising yeah

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you know the aerial anomaly detection

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system formerly known as u4 talked to

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was it first found its formation and

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Doug's Humvee system that he created any

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of the you photog

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vehicle which actually had telescopes

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that would come out of the top and

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circle around and find anomalies in the

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sky well now we've taken that entire

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concept and condense it down to a small

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platter maybe 24 inches across we don't

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have any of them done yet but they're

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gonna

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remotely monitor the skies and it's

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gonna be really interesting how this

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monitoring occurs so I will tell you

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we'll keep you posted on progress but

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Doug is excited and I'm excited and we

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absolutely love it right on well we're

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all looking forward to it thank you Mark

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for giving us your your rundown of how

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things went and we'll probably see you

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next year

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absolutely I look forward to seeing you

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again thanks Dean

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see you later Ryan and I'm here with

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James Keenan and he is the author of

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several books including dark shadows and

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catastrophe

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10:22 2036 the paranormal zone and the

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UFO and an alien so how are you doing

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today James and welcome to Phoenix

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thanks it's a pleasure to be here thanks

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for having me yeah so is interested in

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what you thought about the Congress and

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then was there anything here that

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particularly appeals to you that

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interests you either the speaker or

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topic sure I'm local to the area so I've

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always enjoyed the fact that they've

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been here locally for about the last

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five or six years

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I find it of interest that there's a lot

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more diversity in the amount of people

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that come here from all over the world

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as a matter of fact been here all

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morning and I just finally met somebody

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from Phoenix everyone else was either

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from out of state or from out of the

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country which was really interesting in

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regards to speakers you know they always

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seem to have a very good group of people

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come in and you know talk about the

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newer topics or put some of the older

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topics older discussions and kind of

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give you a good update as to where

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that's evolving and taking place at this

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point and then for me this is the first

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time that I've actually just been a

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vendor instead of lecturing and it's

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just been a great experience because not

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only have I met those people coming into

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here those that are lecturing and

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talking but you have an amazing group of

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vendors here that just offer just you

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know anything from other books to all

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types of artwork and it's just fantastic

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even other types of

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you know modalities and things that

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they're offering on the floor and then

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you also get all the lecturers here that

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you get to you know talk to them

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one-to-one also get to find out what

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they're doing recently yeah that's that

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is so cool that it that's really neat

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about the Congress is really this is

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gathering together of a lot of people

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with a lot of different perspectives

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sharing it and you can just learn so

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much now what is it that you kind of

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specialize in I know that you recently

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gave a outstanding talk at the Phoenix

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MUFON monkey meeting and really enjoyed

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that and maybe just share a few

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highlights from that with us sure so I

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deal a lot with ancient anomalies that

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are pointing towards us worldwide

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catastrophic events my background is in

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anthropology and archaeology and then

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work-wise it was in law enforcement I

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have about 25 years of investigative

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I look and delve more into ancient

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cultures and civilizations that we've

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lost almost all our history on them and

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the fact that there's still a lot of

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evidence based in artifacts and

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petroglyphs and things of that nature

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that show reasons as to why they may be

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missing from historical data and then I

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mostly focus in on catastrophic events

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that were probably the cause of that and

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you know also in regards to petroglyphs

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and other anomalies that end up pointing

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to other things that I just happened to

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come across accidentally yeah

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so interesting I know I know too lately

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you've been interested in the Uintah

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Basin area so is getting some notoriety

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because of the skinwalker correct but

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you you went there on the ground

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yourself right I spent about a week

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there prior to that I'd spent about two

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months doing just an amazing amount of

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research based off of a few petroglyphs

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that I came across and the historical

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date on the Uintah Basin that just

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didn't make sense and it was like going

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down a rabbit hole at that point

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and I felt that you know you could do a

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ton of work at your desk but you just

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have to be there in person and it was

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just amazing the amount of data that I

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collected and the evidence and so much

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more is taking place not just on

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skinwalker ranch but the entire Uintah

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Basin and to have the ability then to

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have been able to triangulated that and

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locate very specific evidence as to

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what's happening why it's happening and

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then just some very crazy anomalies both

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old and early to locate it and hopefully

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in the near future I'll be able to get

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all that information and new evidence

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out look forward to that that sounds

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awesome

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final question I guess is you know it

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seems like so much has been happening in

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ufology the last year or two years is

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there anything that has grabbed your

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attention it has your attention now

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anything new

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and what's happening oh absolutely just

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the fact that the government's willing

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to you know say that something happened

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and they're not quite sure and maybe

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they are aren't but just the fact that

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they're allowing that much more evidence

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to be made to the public is I guess a

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step in the right direction and I always

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tell people you know they talked about

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the tic-tac in the sky but nobody ever

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asks about what they did with the cross

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and the what was happening underwater

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nobody's said anything about that yet

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that seems to be what led to all those

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fighter pilots originally to that

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location yeah there's a lot of questions

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yet to be asked that's just what makes

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it so fun and fascinating well thank you

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so much for taking a few minutes time

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with me and it's really fascinating

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stuff thank you very cool they've been

547
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570
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571
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572
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with a guy that well you know the the

573
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James Bond movies he's kind of like he

574
00:26:54,860 --> 00:26:53,130
was accused at the letter he's got all

575
00:26:56,270 --> 00:26:54,870
these gadgets and stuff and all I want

576
00:26:58,130 --> 00:26:56,280
to do is get him to look the other way

577
00:27:01,010 --> 00:26:58,140
so I can steal it

578
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great great high-tech stuff so I'm here

579
00:27:06,380 --> 00:27:04,290
with obviously Ben Hansen and so a

580
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customer is walking up taking a look so

581
00:27:11,090 --> 00:27:07,679
we might be interrupted because we're

582
00:27:13,190 --> 00:27:11,100
all here about the sale so Ben what are

583
00:27:16,760 --> 00:27:13,200
you up to and and what do you think

584
00:27:19,730 --> 00:27:16,770
about this year's conference compared to

585
00:27:21,890 --> 00:27:19,740
others well I've been coming to UFO

586
00:27:25,070 --> 00:27:21,900
Congress for gosh I think this is like

587
00:27:27,260 --> 00:27:25,080
maybe my ninth year I've been doing

588
00:27:29,750 --> 00:27:27,270
there their night vision sky watches for

589
00:27:31,130 --> 00:27:29,760
the past I want to say like six years

590
00:27:34,070 --> 00:27:31,140
and so what's really cool is they've

591
00:27:35,630 --> 00:27:34,080
moved it now from Fort McDowell this is

592
00:27:38,360 --> 00:27:35,640
the first year we've had it in downtown

593
00:27:41,900 --> 00:27:38,370
Phoenix so it's it's a different time of

594
00:27:43,460 --> 00:27:41,910
year and what's really cool though is

595
00:27:45,260 --> 00:27:43,470
because normally we just go out to the

596
00:27:47,810 --> 00:27:45,270
back of the hotel in order to do the

597
00:27:49,460 --> 00:27:47,820
night vision and this year they've got a

598
00:27:52,159 --> 00:27:49,470
bus and we're going to South Mountain

599
00:27:55,100 --> 00:27:52,169
which is where you know of course the

600
00:27:58,250 --> 00:27:55,110
Phoenix lights flew over and the last

601
00:28:00,409 --> 00:27:58,260
place they were seen crossing the valley

602
00:28:02,390 --> 00:28:00,419
that's awesome of course I missed that

603
00:28:05,299 --> 00:28:02,400
last time so maybe I can do it this year

604
00:28:07,220 --> 00:28:05,309
and take a look and bring hot cocoa cuz

605
00:28:09,260 --> 00:28:07,230
I hear that that is actually what the

606
00:28:11,090 --> 00:28:09,270
sightings is that true I wouldn't be

607
00:28:12,620 --> 00:28:11,100
drinking anything hot out there right

608
00:28:16,070 --> 00:28:12,630
now I was out there last night and

609
00:28:18,380 --> 00:28:16,080
you're probably still like 95 degrees at

610
00:28:21,200 --> 00:28:18,390
like you know it's scratch that I'll go

611
00:28:23,330 --> 00:28:21,210
right to this beer so you've had

612
00:28:26,150 --> 00:28:23,340
experience in both I mean you were you

613
00:28:28,640 --> 00:28:26,160
know a UFO hunter and ghost hunter and

614
00:28:30,470 --> 00:28:28,650
everything do you see that there's any

615
00:28:32,960 --> 00:28:30,480
trends or anything that's happening Andy

616
00:28:35,419 --> 00:28:32,970
increase how's the phone Amin on today

617
00:28:38,239 --> 00:28:35,429
since you got into it how many years ago

618
00:28:42,560 --> 00:28:38,249
the UFO stuff I first got into when I

619
00:28:46,099 --> 00:28:42,570
was like wow I was like well you can't

620
00:28:47,719 --> 00:28:46,109
when I saw ET I was fine okay but but I

621
00:28:50,779 --> 00:28:47,729
really was reading the books and stuff

622
00:28:52,940 --> 00:28:50,789
by 12 you know and then seriously going

623
00:28:56,469 --> 00:28:52,950
out doing this you know they made my

624
00:28:59,509 --> 00:28:56,479
college years and so I would say that

625
00:29:01,759 --> 00:28:59,519
probably the number of sightings is I'm

626
00:29:03,799 --> 00:29:01,769
I don't know it's hard to say it

627
00:29:05,959 --> 00:29:03,809
probably has increased but definitely

628
00:29:08,479 --> 00:29:05,969
the attention to it has increased the

629
00:29:10,369 --> 00:29:08,489
last two years have been incredible the

630
00:29:12,769 --> 00:29:10,379
amount of media exposure to the

631
00:29:14,419 --> 00:29:12,779
phenomena the problem is is that

632
00:29:17,930 --> 00:29:14,429
translate to more people coming to the

633
00:29:20,269 --> 00:29:17,940
conference's you don't know because it's

634
00:29:22,339 --> 00:29:20,279
pop culture that people are still stuck

635
00:29:25,039 --> 00:29:22,349
in you know it's like I know men in

636
00:29:27,079 --> 00:29:25,049
black because the movie I think UFOs are

637
00:29:30,349 --> 00:29:27,089
cool you know but do they actually come

638
00:29:34,879 --> 00:29:30,359
and hear the researchers if that's

639
00:29:37,129 --> 00:29:34,889
another thing oh interesting so the the

640
00:29:39,039 --> 00:29:37,139
different difference between back then

641
00:29:41,539 --> 00:29:39,049
was it was kind of this hard to find

642
00:29:43,190 --> 00:29:41,549
field of study if you will and now

643
00:29:46,849 --> 00:29:43,200
because it's been in the pop design guys

644
00:29:48,469 --> 00:29:46,859
probably from x-files on and and also

645
00:29:53,239 --> 00:29:48,479
got goosed a little bit with the

646
00:29:55,279 --> 00:29:53,249
December 2017 New York Times report so

647
00:29:56,869 --> 00:29:55,289
so let me ask you this it entered a pop

648
00:30:00,349 --> 00:29:56,879
culture well it's been around for a long

649
00:30:03,560 --> 00:30:00,359
time why did it stick this time I think

650
00:30:05,989 --> 00:30:03,570
because probably our government and the

651
00:30:07,940 --> 00:30:05,999
media has given up legitimacy you know

652
00:30:10,310 --> 00:30:07,950
if you watch the news reports and they

653
00:30:12,200 --> 00:30:10,320
have a UFO thing they don't giggle and

654
00:30:14,239 --> 00:30:12,210
chuckle as much as they used to you know

655
00:30:16,609 --> 00:30:14,249
I go hold something I've seen in the sky

656
00:30:19,119 --> 00:30:16,619
it's like no it's like now it's like

657
00:30:21,390 --> 00:30:19,129
whoa they have a somewhat intelligent

658
00:30:22,680 --> 00:30:21,400
conversation say

659
00:30:24,480 --> 00:30:22,690
you go to the White House press

660
00:30:26,400 --> 00:30:24,490
conferences and you see that the

661
00:30:28,680 --> 00:30:26,410
reporters are actually saying it with a

662
00:30:30,630 --> 00:30:28,690
straight face and pushing it and saying

663
00:30:33,540 --> 00:30:30,640
we want to know about Rosslyn we want to

664
00:30:36,110 --> 00:30:33,550
know about the the files you got Jimmy

665
00:30:40,050 --> 00:30:36,120
Kimmel you know who it's entertainment

666
00:30:42,360 --> 00:30:40,060
but there they're actually asking them

667
00:30:45,030 --> 00:30:42,370
what have you done as president to look

668
00:30:47,190 --> 00:30:45,040
into this and then you got you know like

669
00:30:49,680 --> 00:30:47,200
you mentioned the Pentagon programs

670
00:30:53,250 --> 00:30:49,690
where they're like okay okay we admit we

671
00:30:55,680 --> 00:30:53,260
lie we have had official programs and we

672
00:30:58,550 --> 00:30:55,690
don't know what they are and so when you

673
00:31:01,020 --> 00:30:58,560
you tell that to a public I think that

674
00:31:03,540 --> 00:31:01,030
there's there's all the sudden this

675
00:31:05,790 --> 00:31:03,550
interest because if our government

676
00:31:07,410 --> 00:31:05,800
thinks it deems that worthy to spend

677
00:31:10,440 --> 00:31:07,420
well you know spend millions of dollars

678
00:31:13,290 --> 00:31:10,450
on weird things but but if they're

679
00:31:16,140 --> 00:31:13,300
spending money to investigate they don't

680
00:31:19,290 --> 00:31:16,150
really have answers maybe we should take

681
00:31:24,420 --> 00:31:19,300
notice so my last question here for you

682
00:31:26,820 --> 00:31:24,430
is okay we've got the storm what is it

683
00:31:29,640 --> 00:31:26,830
raid no no no I said the storm area 50

684
00:31:30,090 --> 00:31:29,650
storm area 51 okay so here's what I'm

685
00:31:32,130 --> 00:31:30,100
thinking

686
00:31:34,190 --> 00:31:32,140
and maybe this is a business thing you

687
00:31:37,380 --> 00:31:34,200
and I can do when we can retire from it

688
00:31:39,180 --> 00:31:37,390
so when the Gold Rush happened the

689
00:31:40,770 --> 00:31:39,190
people who made more money we're not the

690
00:31:42,630 --> 00:31:40,780
people going for the gold it was the

691
00:31:45,090 --> 00:31:42,640
people who supplied the shovels and all

692
00:31:47,490 --> 00:31:45,100
the stuff they named so I'm thinking if

693
00:31:49,860 --> 00:31:47,500
they're really gonna go storm I'm

694
00:31:52,740 --> 00:31:49,870
thinking about investing in body bags I

695
00:31:54,120 --> 00:31:52,750
decided that too dark I'm stuck I think

696
00:31:58,080 --> 00:31:54,130
I'm gonna make a killing no pun intended

697
00:31:59,790 --> 00:31:58,090
some body bags that's right water you

698
00:32:02,700 --> 00:31:59,800
need to give them a bottle of water and

699
00:32:07,330 --> 00:32:02,710
say go for it you know the base is that

700
00:32:09,810 --> 00:32:07,340
way you know it's it's a 13 mile run

701
00:32:12,549 --> 00:32:09,820
or whatever no gas station no beef

702
00:32:13,299 --> 00:32:12,559
journal Evan you'll be shot at on the

703
00:32:15,789 --> 00:32:13,309
way there

704
00:32:17,499 --> 00:32:15,799
it's my Kevlar I actually sell

705
00:32:19,989 --> 00:32:17,509
bulletproof vest in my other companies

706
00:32:22,480 --> 00:32:19,999
so we could bring those perfect I'm

707
00:32:24,820 --> 00:32:22,490
feeling it I'm feeling it and some night

708
00:32:27,039 --> 00:32:24,830
vision to take with you so so now you

709
00:32:28,810 --> 00:32:27,049
can you can have the security guys

710
00:32:30,820 --> 00:32:28,820
watching you you're watching them you

711
00:32:32,649 --> 00:32:30,830
have the best chance of getting through

712
00:32:36,340 --> 00:32:32,659
all right you heard that live or rather

713
00:32:37,509 --> 00:32:36,350
unlive here we have a plan here Ben

714
00:32:39,789 --> 00:32:37,519
thank you for your time you're very

715
00:32:41,019 --> 00:32:39,799
gracious and look over there so I can go

716
00:32:46,810 --> 00:32:41,029
over here and steal one of your

717
00:32:49,180 --> 00:32:46,820
binoculars I have someone here who

718
00:32:50,859 --> 00:32:49,190
people may have heard of I've heard of

719
00:32:51,369 --> 00:32:50,869
so I think people have heard of the five

720
00:32:54,999 --> 00:32:51,379
of them

721
00:32:57,399 --> 00:32:55,009
his name is James Fox and he just won

722
00:32:59,200 --> 00:32:57,409
the award for his best feature on the

723
00:33:03,220 --> 00:32:59,210
way hold on that's next year this is

724
00:33:06,519 --> 00:33:03,230
only 2019 okay James you have the most

725
00:33:08,680 --> 00:33:06,529
epic epic being being created right now

726
00:33:10,539 --> 00:33:08,690
as we speak it's being cut by two

727
00:33:11,739 --> 00:33:10,549
editors around the clock I can't believe

728
00:33:14,590 --> 00:33:11,749
you pulled yourself away this is a

729
00:33:16,419 --> 00:33:14,600
five-year endeavor it's half a decade so

730
00:33:18,489 --> 00:33:16,429
where are we at with it right now and

731
00:33:19,350 --> 00:33:18,499
what did you tell the fine folks here at

732
00:33:21,999 --> 00:33:19,360
the convention

733
00:33:23,980 --> 00:33:22,009
well it's actually been going on six

734
00:33:26,049 --> 00:33:23,990
years and if you look at photographs

735
00:33:27,580 --> 00:33:26,059
from one of me when I started what

736
00:33:29,680 --> 00:33:27,590
aggressively now looks like I've aged

737
00:33:32,139 --> 00:33:29,690
about a hundred years I hope you then

738
00:33:34,239 --> 00:33:32,149
I'll rebound a little bit everyone went

739
00:33:36,249 --> 00:33:34,249
all the pressures off but that is true

740
00:33:37,539 --> 00:33:36,259
we are we signed the distribution deal

741
00:33:39,310 --> 00:33:37,549
for a guaranteed theatrical release

742
00:33:42,070 --> 00:33:39,320
we're all totally excited about it it's

743
00:33:44,619 --> 00:33:42,080
been once up in the goal of mine for 26

744
00:33:46,869 --> 00:33:44,629
years the first ever UFO a theatrical

745
00:33:49,060 --> 00:33:46,879
released by the way go on us certainly

746
00:33:51,879 --> 00:33:49,070
in decades yeah I think they had a

747
00:33:53,049 --> 00:33:51,889
minimal release with UFOs are real with

748
00:33:55,570 --> 00:33:53,059
Stanton Friedman back in I think of the

749
00:33:57,009 --> 00:33:55,580
70s I think so in any case I don't know

750
00:33:59,619 --> 00:33:57,019
the details on that one but in any case

751
00:34:01,509 --> 00:33:59,629
that was been a goal I've had and now it

752
00:34:04,239 --> 00:34:01,519
looks like somebody come to reality I'm

753
00:34:06,580 --> 00:34:04,249
very very happy with the current cut of

754
00:34:07,210 --> 00:34:06,590
the film although we are struggling to

755
00:34:09,790 --> 00:34:07,220
make it better

756
00:34:11,500 --> 00:34:09,800
refining it mix down audio sweetening

757
00:34:14,319 --> 00:34:11,510
cutting cutting scenes trimming things

758
00:34:17,889 --> 00:34:14,329
down stitching it all together to the

759
00:34:19,839 --> 00:34:17,899
best of our ability we've shown some

760
00:34:20,060 --> 00:34:19,849
clips to to George Knapp and a handful

761
00:34:22,100 --> 00:34:20,070
of

762
00:34:25,640 --> 00:34:22,110
this everyone has been very impressed

763
00:34:27,710 --> 00:34:25,650
with a new perspective on previous cases

764
00:34:31,180 --> 00:34:27,720
that people are familiar with new

765
00:34:33,290 --> 00:34:31,190
witnesses new evidence and a new twist

766
00:34:34,940 --> 00:34:33,300
archive material I can assure you that

767
00:34:37,010 --> 00:34:34,950
most people have never seen a lot of

768
00:34:39,620 --> 00:34:37,020
people have never but in fact no one has

769
00:34:41,270 --> 00:34:39,630
ever seen some of it and yeah that's

770
00:34:43,340 --> 00:34:41,280
that's pretty much okay we're gonna

771
00:34:46,610 --> 00:34:43,350
deliver the film the next two months and

772
00:34:48,410 --> 00:34:46,620
it's all hands on deck okay for you

773
00:34:50,420 --> 00:34:48,420
people that that that it feels it was

774
00:34:52,640 --> 00:34:50,430
still a little bit too abstract let me

775
00:34:55,580 --> 00:34:52,650
just tell you I got a chance to see a

776
00:34:58,880 --> 00:34:55,590
chunk of this movie and it's imagine all

777
00:35:01,190 --> 00:34:58,890
those awesome awesome fanboy UFO cases

778
00:35:02,780 --> 00:35:01,200
they used to track all along the years

779
00:35:04,910 --> 00:35:02,790
and you were desperate to get new

780
00:35:06,800 --> 00:35:04,920
information on well he's got new

781
00:35:08,750 --> 00:35:06,810
information he literally dusted off the

782
00:35:10,310 --> 00:35:08,760
archives and pulled out stuff I don't

783
00:35:12,110 --> 00:35:10,320
know how you did it dude you're like

784
00:35:14,420 --> 00:35:12,120
you're the Indiana Jones of the UFL

785
00:35:15,740 --> 00:35:14,430
archives it is amazing and I know

786
00:35:17,720 --> 00:35:15,750
they're surprising the stuff is there

787
00:35:20,510 --> 00:35:17,730
anything that you can say or give away

788
00:35:23,090 --> 00:35:20,520
or lead to to let them know that

789
00:35:23,630 --> 00:35:23,100
something big is coming without giving

790
00:35:27,530 --> 00:35:23,640
everything away

791
00:35:29,840 --> 00:35:27,540
well Jacques filet we've been incredibly

792
00:35:32,780 --> 00:35:29,850
fortunate to have Jacques as our

793
00:35:35,270 --> 00:35:32,790
consultant and that's opened up doors

794
00:35:38,200 --> 00:35:35,280
that I never knew even existed and

795
00:35:40,520 --> 00:35:38,210
Jacques has been diligently patiently

796
00:35:42,890 --> 00:35:40,530
sitting in an edit room with no running

797
00:35:47,510 --> 00:35:42,900
water and no toilet at the end of a dirt

798
00:35:49,100 --> 00:35:47,520
road in a garden and and helping make

799
00:35:50,900 --> 00:35:49,110
sense of it all and stitch it together

800
00:35:53,180 --> 00:35:50,910
it put the pieces of the puzzle together

801
00:35:53,720 --> 00:35:53,190
in a way that that's never been done

802
00:35:55,730 --> 00:35:53,730
before

803
00:35:58,580 --> 00:35:55,740
and so in Jacque was somebody who was

804
00:36:01,910 --> 00:35:58,590
there who understands it and and that

805
00:36:06,620 --> 00:36:01,920
has been a major boon for for us for the

806
00:36:09,380 --> 00:36:06,630
film for the phenomenon it ends with one

807
00:36:12,470 --> 00:36:09,390
of the most compelling cases certainly

808
00:36:14,900 --> 00:36:12,480
in in my book that's the landing at Rose

809
00:36:16,730 --> 00:36:14,910
in Bob way 1994 with over a hundred

810
00:36:20,630 --> 00:36:16,740
witnesses on the ground 60 of whom went

811
00:36:22,700 --> 00:36:20,640
on camera case ruie Zimbabwe 1994 aerial

812
00:36:24,020 --> 00:36:22,710
school that's the ending of the film but

813
00:36:25,640 --> 00:36:24,030
we do a lot of background getting

814
00:36:27,890 --> 00:36:25,650
leading up to that point it's government

815
00:36:28,940 --> 00:36:27,900
and military officials high-level people

816
00:36:31,190 --> 00:36:28,950
that you recognize

817
00:36:33,770 --> 00:36:31,200
who they are a couple with archive

818
00:36:36,589 --> 00:36:33,780
footage and good narration beautifully

819
00:36:38,329 --> 00:36:36,599
shot try not to make the same mistakes

820
00:36:40,339 --> 00:36:38,339
I've made last time when I failed to get

821
00:36:42,800 --> 00:36:40,349
just the level of distribution I wanted

822
00:36:43,970 --> 00:36:42,810
to do with anyone I saw so I swear I

823
00:36:46,069 --> 00:36:43,980
wouldn't make those mistakes again and

824
00:36:49,190 --> 00:36:46,079
this time when I was broke I just went

825
00:36:51,890 --> 00:36:49,200
into you know money generating mode I

826
00:36:53,690 --> 00:36:51,900
didn't I didn't I didn't cut corners I

827
00:36:56,870 --> 00:36:53,700
waited till I had the funds necessary to

828
00:37:00,050 --> 00:36:56,880
do the job right to hire the right audio

829
00:37:02,510 --> 00:37:00,060
camera guys lighting guys good quality

830
00:37:05,480 --> 00:37:02,520
state-of-the-art equipment drones it

831
00:37:06,710 --> 00:37:05,490
looks beautiful it really does I didn't

832
00:37:08,390 --> 00:37:06,720
even mind having to go out and pee in

833
00:37:10,190 --> 00:37:08,400
the backyard because you don't have a

834
00:37:12,319 --> 00:37:10,200
bathroom

835
00:37:15,770 --> 00:37:12,329
one thing about Jacques Vallee he's kind

836
00:37:18,890 --> 00:37:15,780
of become this obi-wan Kenobi character

837
00:37:20,390 --> 00:37:18,900
who presides over over kind of

838
00:37:23,300 --> 00:37:20,400
everything he's observing everything he

839
00:37:25,400 --> 00:37:23,310
rarely rarely ever comes out and appears

840
00:37:27,079 --> 00:37:25,410
makes makes himself visible the fact

841
00:37:29,390 --> 00:37:27,089
that he did that for your project I

842
00:37:30,829 --> 00:37:29,400
think speaks very highly of it and I

843
00:37:33,440 --> 00:37:30,839
know that you appreciate the hell out of

844
00:37:35,030 --> 00:37:33,450
it and and that you know having someone

845
00:37:36,950 --> 00:37:35,040
who can kind of take a look at it and

846
00:37:39,079 --> 00:37:36,960
say this gives a thumbs-up and

847
00:37:41,450 --> 00:37:39,089
everything that's probably been a strong

848
00:37:44,059 --> 00:37:41,460
guiding force for you ever imagine I

849
00:37:48,109 --> 00:37:44,069
have to pinch myself daily you know just

850
00:37:51,099 --> 00:37:48,119
how how lucky we got and and he

851
00:37:54,920 --> 00:37:51,109
initially came on board with trepidation

852
00:37:56,270 --> 00:37:54,930
and slowly the more he got involved the

853
00:37:58,579 --> 00:37:56,280
more he saw the more he wanted to

854
00:37:59,780 --> 00:37:58,589
participate the more he realized this is

855
00:38:01,849 --> 00:37:59,790
probably going to be something pretty

856
00:38:05,270 --> 00:38:01,859
big anyone to make sure it was right

857
00:38:07,940 --> 00:38:05,280
and it was done correctly and and so

858
00:38:11,990 --> 00:38:07,950
like again now he's out he comes out

859
00:38:13,609 --> 00:38:12,000
every weekend just about so when is the

860
00:38:15,349 --> 00:38:13,619
film do you anticipate it coming out

861
00:38:17,510 --> 00:38:15,359
when the peeps going to be able to take

862
00:38:20,510 --> 00:38:17,520
this in its supposed to be released in

863
00:38:23,089 --> 00:38:20,520
the spring of 2020 spring of 2020 all

864
00:38:25,900 --> 00:38:23,099
right one last question for you we sat

865
00:38:28,510 --> 00:38:25,910
on a panel together be honest with me

866
00:38:30,520 --> 00:38:28,520
how is my singing

867
00:38:33,940 --> 00:38:30,530
it was I couldn't think of a better way

868
00:38:38,350 --> 00:38:33,950
of ending that panel it had to end after

869
00:38:40,330 --> 00:38:38,360
after we had to go but down it peaked

870
00:38:41,590 --> 00:38:40,340
and that was it

871
00:38:44,740 --> 00:38:41,600
maybe I'll sing it for you later

872
00:38:47,140 --> 00:38:44,750
sometime Ryan anyway I James thank you

873
00:38:49,810 --> 00:38:47,150
so much everyone's rooting for this film

874
00:38:51,520 --> 00:38:49,820
very excited about it and just from what

875
00:38:56,770 --> 00:38:51,530
I've seen I can tell you it will deliver

876
00:39:00,640 --> 00:38:56,780
folks all right so this is the last day

877
00:39:06,430 --> 00:39:00,650
of what has been a in my opinion a very

878
00:39:08,500 --> 00:39:06,440
fun crazy inspirational convention that

879
00:39:10,480 --> 00:39:08,510
is the International UFO Congress I

880
00:39:12,940 --> 00:39:10,490
happen to be here with a guy who

881
00:39:14,620 --> 00:39:12,950
basically says that he co runs it with

882
00:39:15,490 --> 00:39:14,630
his girlfriend Karen I don't know if

883
00:39:16,510 --> 00:39:15,500
you've heard of this guy where his name

884
00:39:21,010 --> 00:39:16,520
is alejandra Ross

885
00:39:21,900 --> 00:39:21,020
so Alejandro is this true and and since

886
00:39:25,300 --> 00:39:21,910
it's the last day

887
00:39:29,200 --> 00:39:25,310
what is your summary of this conference

888
00:39:33,160 --> 00:39:29,210
the 2019 conference yeah you know what

889
00:39:35,470 --> 00:39:33,170
that's our interesting question because

890
00:39:38,620 --> 00:39:35,480
you know if there's so much going on

891
00:39:40,120 --> 00:39:38,630
there's so much hustle and bustle it you

892
00:39:42,700 --> 00:39:40,130
know you don't have a whole lot of time

893
00:39:46,120 --> 00:39:42,710
to be reflective but I have especially

894
00:39:48,609 --> 00:39:46,130
the last couple of days and you know

895
00:39:52,150 --> 00:39:48,619
people so posted some pictures of you

896
00:39:55,180 --> 00:39:52,160
with george knapp and and james fox and

897
00:39:58,000 --> 00:39:55,190
jeremy Korbel and i think that kind of

898
00:40:01,870 --> 00:39:58,010
summarizes it in a way it made me think

899
00:40:05,170 --> 00:40:01,880
about how all of us who especially are

900
00:40:07,030 --> 00:40:05,180
as doing the speaking and everything and

901
00:40:09,160 --> 00:40:07,040
then you with the filmmaker buddies

902
00:40:12,220 --> 00:40:09,170
we're all like so much like a family

903
00:40:13,810 --> 00:40:12,230
we've all been through so much you know

904
00:40:16,660 --> 00:40:13,820
when I think of someone like Richard

905
00:40:18,910 --> 00:40:16,670
Dolan in over the years how I've changed

906
00:40:22,120 --> 00:40:18,920
I was in my 20s when I started I would

907
00:40:24,730 --> 00:40:22,130
70 pounds heavier but all of the trials

908
00:40:26,859 --> 00:40:24,740
and tribulations we go through sometimes

909
00:40:30,250 --> 00:40:26,869
we even get frustrated with each other

910
00:40:32,859 --> 00:40:30,260
like siblings but you know we all have

911
00:40:34,539 --> 00:40:32,869
really great respect for one another

912
00:40:36,989 --> 00:40:34,549
and it's really fun to hook each other

913
00:40:40,329 --> 00:40:36,999
up with you know other colleagues and

914
00:40:44,109 --> 00:40:40,339
that is one big aspect but the other

915
00:40:47,499 --> 00:40:44,119
aspect is just the nature of the

916
00:40:50,380 --> 00:40:47,509
speakers I think that when people are

917
00:40:54,069 --> 00:40:50,390
genuinely into the information rather

918
00:40:55,660 --> 00:40:54,079
than arguing or being upset at others I

919
00:40:59,799 --> 00:40:55,670
think when people are respectful of

920
00:41:03,430 --> 00:40:59,809
others various opinions and ideas it's

921
00:41:05,950 --> 00:41:03,440
more conducive to sharing information so

922
00:41:08,950 --> 00:41:05,960
the audience is able to kind of digest

923
00:41:11,849 --> 00:41:08,960
information better have a more pleasant

924
00:41:16,059 --> 00:41:11,859
experience digesting that information

925
00:41:18,009 --> 00:41:16,069
with a lack of negativity and it's more

926
00:41:20,259 --> 00:41:18,019
productive and educational and we have

927
00:41:22,539 --> 00:41:20,269
so many people saying I learned so much

928
00:41:24,789 --> 00:41:22,549
I learned at this conference more than I

929
00:41:26,620 --> 00:41:24,799
usually learn and I think it is because

930
00:41:29,140 --> 00:41:26,630
of the way I have a training background

931
00:41:31,180 --> 00:41:29,150
it's the way they learn it the mindset

932
00:41:33,430 --> 00:41:31,190
is a you have to have an open mind but

933
00:41:36,339 --> 00:41:33,440
you have to have a mind that you know

934
00:41:38,349 --> 00:41:36,349
that isn't preoccupied with the other

935
00:41:41,979 --> 00:41:38,359
things especially emotional negative

936
00:41:45,489 --> 00:41:41,989
things and so it was a it was a

937
00:41:47,049 --> 00:41:45,499
wonderful atmosphere I think you know

938
00:41:49,660 --> 00:41:47,059
we've gotten a lot of feedback like you

939
00:41:50,859 --> 00:41:49,670
said you kind of felt that and I guess

940
00:41:53,380 --> 00:41:50,869
that would be my takeaway

941
00:41:55,779 --> 00:41:53,390
although you know we missed one guy we

942
00:41:57,609 --> 00:41:55,789
had this guy who used to help us out he

943
00:42:01,989 --> 00:41:57,619
was awesome he would help us out with

944
00:42:02,349 --> 00:42:01,999
our movies he would just work all day

945
00:42:05,589 --> 00:42:02,359
long

946
00:42:07,749 --> 00:42:05,599
his name's Ryan Sprague and I wish we

947
00:42:09,910 --> 00:42:07,759
could have him back really do you

948
00:42:11,380 --> 00:42:09,920
seriously I mean in hindsight because I

949
00:42:13,359 --> 00:42:11,390
know right now we're looking back at

950
00:42:15,640 --> 00:42:13,369
compared to how Congress was beforehand

951
00:42:17,710 --> 00:42:15,650
and now and it seems to be like it's so

952
00:42:19,479 --> 00:42:17,720
jamming right now and maybe back maybe

953
00:42:21,819 --> 00:42:19,489
back then it wasn't so I'm not saying

954
00:42:23,289 --> 00:42:21,829
it's all Ryan's fault yeah but do you

955
00:42:25,329 --> 00:42:23,299
think if we brought Ryan back it would

956
00:42:29,440 --> 00:42:25,339
just everything we'd come crashing down

957
00:42:31,930 --> 00:42:29,450
it could no I think I think Ryan was

958
00:42:38,079 --> 00:42:31,940
sorely missed here and I'm glad that I

959
00:42:41,140 --> 00:42:38,089
can as a fellow USO researcher and an

960
00:42:43,479 --> 00:42:41,150
armchair expert I'm glad that I can be

961
00:42:44,720 --> 00:42:43,489
representing for him his presence here

962
00:42:47,570 --> 00:42:44,730
is sorely missed

963
00:42:50,000 --> 00:42:47,580
but a lot of business happens to like

964
00:42:52,250 --> 00:42:50,010
you've got so much done and people got

965
00:42:54,260 --> 00:42:52,260
to hook up you know and get to know each

966
00:42:56,720 --> 00:42:54,270
other and start to work on projects I

967
00:42:59,570 --> 00:42:56,730
mean you're inspired for to do a new

968
00:43:02,690 --> 00:42:59,580
project typically well yes so Keith arum

969
00:43:05,150 --> 00:43:02,700
and I have a pilot sizzle reel that

970
00:43:07,190 --> 00:43:05,160
we're doing for a half-hour series that

971
00:43:08,600 --> 00:43:07,200
we're doing called tinfoil Diaries this

972
00:43:10,550 --> 00:43:08,610
is breaking news by the way and so

973
00:43:12,410 --> 00:43:10,560
hopefully it'll get sold but the basic

974
00:43:14,450 --> 00:43:12,420
concept is to take something that has

975
00:43:17,720 --> 00:43:14,460
been kind of caricatured as you know

976
00:43:20,120 --> 00:43:17,730
tinfoil hat wearing abductees and show

977
00:43:22,490 --> 00:43:20,130
no here's the face of abductees or

978
00:43:24,860 --> 00:43:22,500
experiencers or contactees as they go by

979
00:43:27,710 --> 00:43:24,870
and here are the subtleties with that

980
00:43:28,970 --> 00:43:27,720
and it lends credibility to it so so

981
00:43:31,280 --> 00:43:28,980
we're doing that show and then I'm doing

982
00:43:32,960 --> 00:43:31,290
a separate documentary which I can't get

983
00:43:34,640 --> 00:43:32,970
into much about but it's a whole new

984
00:43:37,850 --> 00:43:34,650
perspective that I'm that I haven't seen

985
00:43:39,380 --> 00:43:37,860
on this and on the phenomenon and what's

986
00:43:40,760 --> 00:43:39,390
interesting is this festival and the

987
00:43:42,200 --> 00:43:40,770
people that I've been interviewing the

988
00:43:44,450 --> 00:43:42,210
experts because you pull together the

989
00:43:47,450 --> 00:43:44,460
best the best I'm poaching I feel really

990
00:43:48,560 --> 00:43:47,460
bad about that but they're all great and

991
00:43:50,360 --> 00:43:48,570
they're informing it and they're

992
00:43:52,970 --> 00:43:50,370
changing the shape of it into a much

993
00:43:54,800 --> 00:43:52,980
higher level production and I think much

994
00:43:56,840 --> 00:43:54,810
more interesting things to you Alejandro

995
00:43:58,220 --> 00:43:56,850
and why I love the poaching because

996
00:43:59,870 --> 00:43:58,230
that's something that you know it's an

997
00:44:03,200 --> 00:43:59,880
opportunity because I get it

998
00:44:05,000 --> 00:44:03,210
you know I and when I have time or I do

999
00:44:06,620 --> 00:44:05,010
this at other conferences too because

1000
00:44:08,300 --> 00:44:06,630
you have those people in one location so

1001
00:44:10,370 --> 00:44:08,310
it's a chance to interview or talk with

1002
00:44:12,500 --> 00:44:10,380
a lot of people so I get it but that's

1003
00:44:13,880 --> 00:44:12,510
what's good what we always love with the

1004
00:44:15,650 --> 00:44:13,890
conference it's one of the reasons we

1005
00:44:17,960 --> 00:44:15,660
love to bring speakers who we know I've

1006
00:44:21,020 --> 00:44:17,970
done something great but might not be

1007
00:44:22,430 --> 00:44:21,030
well known and then also to have people

1008
00:44:24,470 --> 00:44:22,440
like you coming out and doing these

1009
00:44:26,960 --> 00:44:24,480
interviews because it sets the tone and

1010
00:44:29,330 --> 00:44:26,970
the pace for this whole field going

1011
00:44:31,190 --> 00:44:29,340
forward I think it reinvigorates it

1012
00:44:34,160 --> 00:44:31,200
keeps things moving it keeps us all

1013
00:44:35,570 --> 00:44:34,170
learning it keeps new information coming

1014
00:44:36,890 --> 00:44:35,580
and that's something that we can't be

1015
00:44:38,810 --> 00:44:36,900
afraid of a lot of people are afraid of

1016
00:44:41,960 --> 00:44:38,820
oh you know I think they get the turf

1017
00:44:44,210 --> 00:44:41,970
war type of thing and we got of I think

1018
00:44:47,170 --> 00:44:44,220
be more of the attitude of more is

1019
00:44:49,090 --> 00:44:47,180
better especially in this day and age

1020
00:44:52,990 --> 00:44:49,100
yeah what was interesting is last night

1021
00:44:54,550 --> 00:44:53,000
after the awesome banquet always great

1022
00:44:56,020 --> 00:44:54,560
food I don't know where I go and yell to

1023
00:44:59,020 --> 00:44:56,030
give you the five stars let me know but

1024
00:45:02,020 --> 00:44:59,030
I'll do that I got to hang out with a

1025
00:45:04,510 --> 00:45:02,030
yeah with Jeremy Carvel and James Fox

1026
00:45:06,280 --> 00:45:04,520
and George Knapp so these are you know

1027
00:45:08,230 --> 00:45:06,290
all of the idols people that I've you

1028
00:45:10,120 --> 00:45:08,240
know kind of that are my peers and

1029
00:45:13,540 --> 00:45:10,130
George is on a whole other level he's a

1030
00:45:14,890 --> 00:45:13,550
Marlon Brando in this you know and we

1031
00:45:17,980 --> 00:45:14,900
all got together we kind of collectively

1032
00:45:21,070 --> 00:45:17,990
said you know we kind of reaffirmed that

1033
00:45:22,330 --> 00:45:21,080
that we can do much more damage if you

1034
00:45:25,600 --> 00:45:22,340
will

1035
00:45:27,310 --> 00:45:25,610
creative work if we're all helping each

1036
00:45:29,650 --> 00:45:27,320
other and informing each other's work

1037
00:45:31,600 --> 00:45:29,660
and like James showed us a little bit of

1038
00:45:34,600 --> 00:45:31,610
the footage that he had that I had seen

1039
00:45:37,000 --> 00:45:34,610
before and showed it and we all got a

1040
00:45:39,040 --> 00:45:37,010
chance to look at it and kind of help

1041
00:45:40,630 --> 00:45:39,050
him you know give him feedback and

1042
00:45:40,960 --> 00:45:40,640
hopefully you know it's what's already

1043
00:45:46,210 --> 00:45:40,970
there

1044
00:45:48,850 --> 00:45:46,220
to add but ways in which we can kind of

1045
00:45:50,440 --> 00:45:48,860
help give him feedback and that in turn

1046
00:45:52,330 --> 00:45:50,450
will I'm hoping will happen with mine

1047
00:45:54,310 --> 00:45:52,340
and with Jeremy's and stuff so it's kind

1048
00:45:56,260 --> 00:45:54,320
of a collective and it's not just in

1049
00:45:58,900 --> 00:45:56,270
this inclusive thing with them it's

1050
00:46:01,210 --> 00:45:58,910
other people that are at the festival

1051
00:46:03,010 --> 00:46:01,220
you know we it's this process we're all

1052
00:46:05,350 --> 00:46:03,020
figuring this yeah I mean it's a journey

1053
00:46:07,630 --> 00:46:05,360
that that has no end in sight which is

1054
00:46:09,610 --> 00:46:07,640
part of the fun yeah it reminds me of

1055
00:46:13,330 --> 00:46:09,620
chase klutz keys talk which was the

1056
00:46:14,680 --> 00:46:13,340
change makers and that's what it is it's

1057
00:46:17,470 --> 00:46:14,690
getting the change makers together

1058
00:46:21,070 --> 00:46:17,480
getting the collaboration happening and

1059
00:46:23,350 --> 00:46:21,080
what spawned from that is you know what

1060
00:46:25,090 --> 00:46:23,360
the films and the things we're all going

1061
00:46:29,020 --> 00:46:25,100
to be excited about in the coming months

1062
00:46:30,490 --> 00:46:29,030
and years yeah and lastly again I've

1063
00:46:32,020 --> 00:46:30,500
every time I go when he seems that I've

1064
00:46:34,420 --> 00:46:32,030
only been in two of them I'm always

1065
00:46:36,130 --> 00:46:34,430
interested who you're gonna pull out and

1066
00:46:37,150 --> 00:46:36,140
there's always surprises and stuff and

1067
00:46:40,420 --> 00:46:37,160
this year was no different

1068
00:46:43,060 --> 00:46:40,430
all in all Yelp I'm giving this I'm

1069
00:46:44,740 --> 00:46:43,070
gonna miss freaking six stars this was

1070
00:46:45,070 --> 00:46:44,750
awesome next year is gonna be even

1071
00:46:47,770 --> 00:46:45,080
bigger

1072
00:46:49,600 --> 00:46:47,780
Alejandro he's just promised me that he

1073
00:46:52,000 --> 00:46:49,610
doesn't know that he's promised me that

1074
00:46:54,609 --> 00:46:52,010
but he'll deliver he always does anyway

1075
00:46:56,650 --> 00:46:54,619
thank you for your time alejandro

1076
00:47:00,009 --> 00:46:56,660
Keener's coming and I got to go put on a

1077
00:47:02,019 --> 00:47:00,019
t-shirt and some shorts and start

1078
00:47:04,569 --> 00:47:02,029
pulling everything down and then packing

1079
00:47:06,249 --> 00:47:04,579
and so we can get out of here all right

1080
00:47:08,049 --> 00:47:06,259
I have no idea who that guy was that we

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just talked to but he seems to be

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important Ryan this is Dean Alioto

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signing off

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talk soon buddy

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[Music]

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[Applause]

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somewhere in the skies is produced by

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Third Kind productions in association

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with the entertainment one podcast